May 2012/Couples-only - Meet & Greet session. Soft-Swing, Hard-Swing & Newbie couples

[sincity2005]

Originally Posted by undertable

I re-quote your post In case u do not know what i was refering to. 1st:Are u a couple in the 1st place? 2nd: Who is the "WE" in your noted post? 3rd: "Couples from previous event will be automatically invited", meaning we dun need to say yes or no and u just put them in the attendance name list and pm to those unaware curious couples that?

ok, to resolve this misunderstanding, let me explain my point.

when i type the 1st post, it is really a long post. In all my posts on this thread, there is absolutely no mention of your nickname or any other couples, as the Host.

It is perfectly clear that when i put i am the Host, there is no other person as the host.

and when i type a long post n then click submit, i may have typed "We" and also "I" inside. I really didnt know that such grammar use will resulted in such a big reaction from you. And i dont log in to this forum all the time, so i cant amend some of the "We" to "I", but i didnt receive any misunderstanding from other couples so far.

And from the PMs n sms i received, i did not encountered people asking me if Undertable is involved. So, i am perplexed when you start to ask me to clarify and you want me to put out a statement saying "Undertable is not involved in this event".

i felt strange n wierd at this request, so i went to re-read my postings again, and i didnt mention you inside. And i did not even tap on the previous gathering for this one, like what you claimed. As this one is a smaller n discreet gathering.

And when you said i shouldnt put that, those couples we met at our April gathering are automatically invited for this May event. This is just my kind polite gesture to extend this invitation to you all, is that anything wrong with that?


and when u start to ask me who are coming, at that point of time, it is still in late April, at early stage, some of our common couple friends expressed interested n told me to count them in 1st, so i just told you these are the tentative couples from those we already know, but i said it to you before, i have yet to re-confirm with them again n this is just a tentative list. And next thing i received from you is that, you went to call each of our common couple friends to check if they are coming for this event n then told me not all of them are confirmed. I feel very pressurized by your msg n actions.

And then, i provided a weekly update on the RSVP number, in some week, the number went down n then went up, as some new couples could make it, while some couldnt as they are overseas or due to work.

and then, i update that i want to introduce my long-time female friend to be my co-host, as she told me she is keen after hearing the updates from the gathering. And i so much wanted to bring her to the next gathering, for her to get to know the other couples, as she is a swinger with her own closed group of network.

but i think she will be disappointed if she logs in n see the postings you all made.

the feeling i feel, is a big disappointment at the kind of malicious untrue remarks you all dishes out on me, after the effort i put in, and you all start to make very demanding questions on me, wanting me to tell you all who are the confirmed couples, n other details about tonite event.


is there anything wrong if the confirmed couples do not wish to be identified, and i am helping to keep this event small n discreet?


All the requests n demanding questions you all made, makes me very uncomfortable. As i stated clearly from the start, this is a discreet private small event, i invited you all at 1st. And you (undertable) even replied in this thread that you cant make it, and i even replied "Ok n we will catchup soon."

So, how can this, still be misleading like what you claimed, that people thinks you are involved in this event, when i stated outright i am the host, and you even posted you cannot make it.

Then you even tell me got some couples PM you in late April & ask you if you are organizing this with me, and you got angry n say i misled them. How can i be fault for this? It is like a casual & inquiry remark from them asking you, as they may be more close to you so they ask you 1st naturally, and maybe they didnt read the post carefully n straightaway PM you. I cant be held responsible if people just ask you any questions they want.

It's like i just casually ask you, if you are organizing our Singapore National Day parade, and you got angry & aim at the person who organized National Day parade that he must put a statement saying you are not involved.


Hope i clarify enough here, n i didnt avoid your questions, just that i feel that you are making all of us here, feel like we are obligated n answerable to you, for any post we made here. At this rate, do we have to starting posting our NRIC n passport number n our parent's NRIC numbers as well, to prove ourselves?

and u sms me saying that you have given me afew weeks grace, to clarify and to put out a statement announcing that you are not involved in this event, which i feel abit uncomfortable at such a odd request.

But i still reply you saying that i already posted i am the host, and there is no mention of your nickname at all. You even said ok, and it is just a misunderstanding when we met again at the bdsm gathering in late April. So i thought all is good, then suddenly you bring this up again.

during the April event, we are all good friends n buddy, n i was very sadden at your sudden attack on me, without a blink of an eye. All the effort we put in together, and you turn around to discredit someone for no reason. I feel it is really not very cool.

i dont do such things to my friends.

peace bro

[ColourBlindx2]

Originally Posted by undertable

Refering to the previous pm u send to me with the attached name list that u claimed are going to attend your so call event,I have checked thru with the couples and most of the confirm they have not consented to your events and 2 couples thought that it was undertable and colourblindx2 was the one who requested u to host it and thats why they consented.
(U didnt even try to tell them that its purely your idea who hosted this event?)

What if your so call female partner aint going to swing on that day, U going to let the others enjoyed the room and you stay behind or.......?

Oh Why do u keep call yourself "the Host" ,"The Host" and "The host" when u were just selected to help organize ONE event? Are u alright?

Bro, let's give him the benefit of the doubt.

Previously our April gathering, we sounded like we were super on if someone or one of us organises a swing party. So it could have been a misinterpretation or a misunderstanding on Sin's side that IF he organises a party, we would attend with no questions asked.

That's a rather misinformed assumption, but still makes some sense right?

So his only fault could have been a misguided wishful thinking.

Originally Posted by sleepy80

Well said Undertable, who is the couples joining anyway sincity...

You angry for what sia.

Originally Posted by sincity2005

bro, why the sudden attack n accusation?

i did not even tap on previous event for this one, as i just state that there are couples who prefer a smaller n more discreet event.

and i even kindly suggest that the couples from the previous swing party that me & you hosted back in April, are welcome to come for this one, if you all dont mind a smaller n more private gathering.

in fact, all the rsvp couples know that i am the host, and i did not mislead them that you or other couples are in the organization team. i thought this is clearly stated in my 1st post n subsequent postings i made in this thread.

Yes we feel honoured that we were invited. But dude, at least let us KNOW that we were invited so that we can give a confirmation in the first place.

I dont really go out and stalk everybody to see if they started threads or what y'know??

And according to what i understand, there were a lot of people who thought that the Undertables and Colourblinds were part of the organising team and hence we received heaps of PMs asking to join and so on. But the problem was, it was an assumption.

And the assumption was created because you didnt want to openly state the attendees, and since the most recent party was with us, everybody thought that we would be involved.

You didnt mislead, but you didnt dismiss that assumption. Most likely because you had the same assumption?

Makes sense??

I am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here.

Originally Posted by sincity2005

Bro, seriously, i thought you are a friend when we met. All the supportive n positive comments from you initially from the gathering we had in April, and suddenly you can become Two-Face n turn around n accuse people without proof.

I have treated everyone with good hospitality and respect, and other couples n single bros who came for the April gathering can attest to it, from the comments they posted over here, unless you feel obliged to side with some misunderstandings n joined in the attack. This is really not cool of you.

Btw, it is very silly of you to think i want to bluff newbie couples. i already stated we meet for drinks first, n Round 2 is optional n we see how things go. All of us are matured adults n we do things with mutual consent.

This is scary!

Sin, we all thought that you were a good single guy to invite to our events. We had a good impression of you.

Unfortunately, according to what we witness after that, i guess your zealousness got the better of you.

That happens to A LOT OF GUYS. You arent alone.

Originally Posted by sleepy80

Yes the event that I attended organise by 'The Host' was interesting as I met many new friends to share stories with and all guys shared for the drinks that nite.

But after that day, I heard from the swinging couples that in fact on the night, liquor/beers were not enough for 30 odd pple but 'The Host' who is in charge of the finance do have $100+ balance that had not been use for the drinks were still 'kept' with him which was not know to the others. I am not concern with that small amount of money but its the integrity that counts to make known to the rest for next meet up session.

And what I had heard about the 2nd event on that day was that 'The Host' concern was just to 'F' the females available. I shall let the couples which was there comment on this.

As for the video that sincity had secretly taken without the lady knowledge was unethical and I just like to conscious the couples joining to be wary of that. This was posted by other pple in his thread.

Dude, you heard a lot huh..........

Originally Posted by undertable

i have already put out my points across in my previous post, Its up to u whether if u wanna answer the few questions i have raised previously . You can jolly well take my previous post as a reinforcement to what u have claim to be clear enuff thread...(PS: i do not wish to recieved any sms/msges from u, stop msging me)

I re-quote your post In case u do not know what i was refering to.

1st:Are u a couple in the 1st place?

2nd: Who is the "WE" in your noted post?

3rd: "Couples from previous event will be automatically invited", meaning we dun need to say yes or no and u just put them in the attendance name list and pm to those unaware curious couples that?

I agree that was a little rude of Sin to take things into his own hands...............and the WE was misleading..........................but bro, dont waste too much effort on this already k? Not good for your blood pressure leh!

Originally Posted by sincity2005

Seriously, i want to avoid malicious people like you. You can talk one pattern, then reverse and talk another pattern like a 2-headed snakes.

anyway, it is no use arguing in the forum. you all can see his comments i screenshot n how he maliciously keep attacking me till now

i dont want to waste time with people like that. Now all that i can remember of this Sleepy80 guy when i met him, is that he is a short small guy, and you know what they called "small man" in Chinese? i rest my case

Wah, short dont mean small k? Dont do personal attacks like that. Especially when it comes to height.

Originally Posted by sincity2005

ok, to resolve this misunderstanding, let me explain my point.

when i type the 1st post, it is really a long post. In all my posts on this thread, there is absolutely no mention of your nickname or any other couples, as the Host.

It is perfectly clear that when i put i am the Host, there is no other person as the host.

and when i type a long post n then click submit, i may have typed "We" and also "I" inside. I really didnt know that such grammar use will resulted in such a big reaction from you. And i dont log in to this forum all the time, so i cant amend some of the "We" to "I", but i didnt receive any misunderstanding from other couples so far.

And when you said i shouldnt put that, those couples we met at our April gathering are automatically invited for this May event. This is just my kind polite gesture to extend this invitation to you all, is that anything wrong with that?

the feeling i feel, is a big disappointment at the kind of malicious untrue remarks you all dishes out on me, after the effort i put in, and you all start to make very demanding questions on me, wanting me to tell you all who are the confirmed couples, n other details about tonite event.

is there anything wrong if the confirmed couples do not wish to be identified, and i am helping to keep this event small n discreet?

So, how can this, still be misleading like what you claimed, that people thinks you are involved in this event, when i stated outright i am the host, and you even posted you cannot make it.

Then you even tell me got some couples PM you in late April & ask you if you are organizing this with me, and you got angry n say i misled them. How can i be fault for this? It is like a casual & inquiry remark from them asking you, as they may be more close to you so they ask you 1st naturally, and maybe they didnt read the post carefully n straightaway PM you. I cant be held responsible if people just ask you any questions they want.

It's like i just casually ask you, if you are organizing our Singapore National Day parade, and you got angry & aim at the person who organized National Day parade that he must put a statement saying you are not involved.

Hope i clarify enough here, n i didnt avoid your questions, just that i feel that you are making all of us here, feel like we are obligated n answerable to you, for any post we made here. At this rate, do we have to starting posting our NRIC n passport number n our parent's NRIC numbers as well, to prove ourselves?

i dont do such things to my friends.

peace bro

We arent really your friends bro. And you arent organised a nationwide event, but a private event aimed at a specific group of people. And your analogy about posting your NRIC to "prove" yourself? Ridiculous.

And how can it be a "kind polite gesture to extend this invitation to you all", when we didnt even receive that invitation?



Colourblind f

[undertable]

Originally Posted by ColourBlindx2

Bro, let's give him the benefit of the doubt.

Previously our April gathering, we sounded like we were super on if someone or one of us organises a swing party. So it could have been a misinterpretation or a misunderstanding on Sin's side that IF he organises a party, we would attend with no questions asked.

That's a rather misinformed assumption, but still makes some sense right?

So his only fault could have been a misguided wishful thinking.



You angry for what sia.



Yes we feel honoured that we were invited. But dude, at least let us KNOW that we were invited so that we can give a confirmation in the first place.

I dont really go out and stalk everybody to see if they started threads or what y'know??

And according to what i understand, there were a lot of people who thought that the Undertables and Colourblinds were part of the organising team and hence we received heaps of PMs asking to join and so on. But the problem was, it was an assumption.

And the assumption was created because you didnt want to openly state the attendees, and since the most recent party was with us, everybody thought that we would be involved.

You didnt mislead, but you didnt dismiss that assumption. Most likely because you had the same assumption?

Makes sense??

I am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here.



Sin, we all thought that you were a good single guy to invite to our events. We had a good impression of you.

Unfortunately, according to what we witness after that, i guess your zealousness got the better of you.

That happens to A LOT OF GUYS. You arent alone.



Dude, you heard a lot huh..........



I agree that was a little rude of Sin to take things into his own hands...............and the WE was misleading..........................but bro, dont waste too much effort on this already k? Not good for your blood pressure leh!



Wah, short dont mean small k? Dont do personal attacks like that. Especially when it comes to height.



We arent really your friends bro. And you arent organised a nationwide event, but a private event aimed at a specific group of people. And your analogy about posting your NRIC to "prove" yourself? Ridiculous.

And how can it be a "kind polite gesture to extend this invitation to you all", when we didnt even receive that invitation?



Colourblind f

U are right sweet, I have clarified my part & and since its done lets go bah

[sleepy80]

Well, let's take all these as a misunderstanding then.. I dunno sincity2005 well and I am not here to criticize you and how to be a 2 headed snake when I din even side on you before for just some comment posting...

I just being a 'busybody' here to raise awareness to those who are joining and any of them are not misleaded to join the event becos of one reason or another..

But you are writing too much just to protect urself and criticize me, you got no right to do that and make personal attack to me at all...

Since I am not present to comment much that is why I ask the involve couples to voice their view. And since CBF had given you the benefit of doubt then I shall not comment further..

[ColourBlindx2]

Originally Posted by undertable

U are right sweet, I have clarified my part & and since its done lets go bah

Good Uncle Mac anyway the Colourblinds intend to go out tonight......but we dont know what to do. Buzz CBM k?

Originally Posted by sleepy80

Well, let's take all these as a misunderstanding then.. I dunno sincity2005 well and I am not here to criticize you and how to be a 2 headed snake when I din even side on you before for just some comment posting...

I just being a 'busybody' here to raise awareness to those who are joining and any of them are not misleaded to join the event becos of one reason or another..

But you are writing too much just to protect urself and criticize me, you got no right to do that and make personal attack to me at all...

Since I am not present to comment much that is why I ask the involve couples to voice their view. And since CBF had given you the benefit of doubt then I shall not comment further..

Good boy!

I just couldn't take the height remark. Very sensitive word for me....



Colourblind f

[undertable]

Originally Posted by ColourBlindx2

Good Uncle Mac anyway the Colourblinds intend to go out tonight......but we dont know what to do. Buzz CBM k?



Good boy!

I just couldn't take the height remark. Very sensitive word for me....



Colourblind f

Hao de, I have Msg him already.. But thot we have already fixed where to go ?

8pm we gonna take some pictures for luna in central area.. Would u guys like to join us 1st before we proceed to the next place?

I love ur height!

[undertable]

Originally Posted by JezebelCandy

oooohh.. 8pm? maybe i gatecrash? =P

Miss hottie wanna gatecrash, Its our pleasure

[sleepy80]

Originally Posted by ColourBlindx2

Good boy!

I just couldn't take the height remark. Very sensitive word for me....



Colourblind f

CBF, thanks for your support on my height... Lol. I am not angry or concern at all on his insult.. Why shall I make myself unhappy over that, I got more things to carry on with.

Well I am only here to support my thinking as a friend of Undertable which maybe too direct at sincity..

Just carry on with all the other interestings in life and forget about this thread..

[sleepy80]

Originally Posted by undertable

Hao de, I have Msg him already.. But thot we have already fixed where to go ?

8pm we gonna take some pictures for luna in central area.. Would u guys like to join us 1st before we proceed to the next place?

I love ur height!

Wey bro, you dun come here hijack pple thread lar... Wait all the post start coming in and the TS get angry about this again..

[undertable]

Originally Posted by sleepy80

Wey bro, you dun come here hijack pple thread lar... Wait all the post start coming in and the TS get angry about this again..

Okie okie, I going back to my swing diary.. Sayonara!

[sincity2005]

i want to thank you guys for accepting this as a big misunderstanding n we can put this aside n move on

i am a big peace loving person and i value all the friendships made from previous gatherings we had.

i just felt deeply hurt when out of a sudden, the posts suddenly came in fast n furious from all directions, aimed at discrediting me n with alot of untrue assumptions, and initially, we all were like buddies and having a good camaraderie together.

People who followed our postings here from our April gathering, also feel puzzled at the sudden HOT & COLD treatment coming from you guys.

So naturally, i felt betrayed n disappointed.

Anyway, it is in the past now. We are all good now, ok. Let's look forward instead of backwards. Thanks


--------------------------------------------

For last night gathering, the Host wants to say a big big THANK YOU for those who came. 6 couples came n 5 went for the Round 2.

we had quite a bit of good silly fun n laughters playing the first 2 games and by then, the fun action kickstarted, and the rest is history.

shall not go into the details too much, as we have newbie soft swinging couples n we wanted to maintain a bit of discreetness.

will leave it up to the couples if they want to share alittle details on last night


for now...it is time for The Host to take a well-deserved break n have a good rest, after all the coordination for the event, n also over the misunderstanding that happened in this thread. It has indeed been a tiring journey for him.

the Host

[hazel]

Thanks bro sincity2005 for the invitation on last night. Great place for food n drinks
pardon the break the ice session abit slow for me n my partner, as our last "partying" is lk 2yrs back..abit rusty..LOL!
The bdsm part is abit too wild for us thou, haha!! but its eye opening ..
Count us in the nxt time too~ (not so wild)

P/s:
Sry, i didn't really follow the post starting from the april, as we'll just go with the flow actually,
who is fun, loving, friendly ~ there will b the nxt time
thou im nt an expert in "partying" bt i believe, we're all out to play, so play happily and enjoy to the max yeah~ (just my 2cents)